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Hi, my name is Cheri
and welcome to Teen Pathways.

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We are talking about depression

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and every time we start to
discuss depression,

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I always think:
"How depressing,"

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"who wants to hear about a show
on depression?",

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but they say:
"Depression is a common cold. "

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in the mental health field,
that depression is so

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common that most people
that you sit down with

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are going to say:
"I've experienced that,

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"I know what you're talking
about", and have a story.

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So we're going to talk
about that today.

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I want to first introduce you
to the guests that we have,

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and these folks are from
all over the country.

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They have come from different

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backgrounds and I want to say
thank you very much for sharing

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your own experiences with us,
and helping us to maybe help

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somebody else to explore
what they are dealing with.

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Can we start with you,
who are you?

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where did you come from?

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My name is Lori Sproat,
and I came from Eagle, Idaho.

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My name is Paddy McCoy
and I started out very early,

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coming from my mother that is,
[everyone laughs]

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okay, I always have to throw
something in,

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but I go to school in
Walla Walla, Washington,

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at Walla Walla College.

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My name is Cherry Malott
and I live in [?], Florida.

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Hi, I'm Jackie Ravine
and I too, go to

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Walla Walla College, though I'm
originally from Dayton, Ohio.

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My name is Jason Henry,
I'm from the blooming metropolis

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of Sweet Home, Oregon.

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And my name Tim Blackburn
and I'm from Eagle, Idaho.

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Okay, welcome.

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So let's start with,
I hear a lot of definitions

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of depression,
and what do you guys think?

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What is it?
What is depression?

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I think depression is
a numbness from a void

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that you have,
like the loss of a close

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relative, or a family member,
or a friend that you were

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really good friends with,
close to.

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I think it's also from a lot
of pain, a lot of hurt

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that you've had,
but it causes you

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to be numb inside, so you don't
react to anything, you may not

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even do anything:
take care of yourself anymore

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or anything like that.
It just causes you to block out

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everything that surrounds you.

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I'm glad you said that,
when I experienced depression,

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one of the things I thought
was really strange was I felt

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like I was detached, I couldn't
hardly feel myself physically,

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so I felt emotionally numb,
but I felt like I was

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physically numb.

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One of the difficult things
things, I think, about defining

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depression, at least
in my understanding,

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and the limited experience
that I've had with it,

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is that it's so hard to say
what depression is

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because it's, like you said,
it's a numbness,

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it's what is not,
depression is a void,

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it's absence,

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it's not necessarily sadness
or bad feelings,

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or bad occurrence, it's not
something that is there,

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it's an absence, it's a void.

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Yeah, isn't that what's so hard
to understand about depression

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because in my thinking it's on
a different level

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for each person that experiences
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So how can you fit it
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other than saying, generalizing
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of a numbness?

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I worked at a hospital
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and people would
come in depressed

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and one of the first things
they would say is that

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"if one more person tells me
to keep my chin up... "

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You know? It's like,
did you pray about it?

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I've prayed about it,
I've kept my chin up,

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I've done what I can do,
so has anybody had that

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sense that it's just
overwhelming, it's something

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that seems to...

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It's isolating more than
just about anything else.

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Having a void,
and feeling an absence,

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you're not able to make,
I wasn't able to make,

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connections with people,
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people that were very close,
let alone socially speaking.

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So, because it's like this
inability to make connections

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it's an isolating thing,
and the more somebody says:

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"Here's what you need to do:
smile, keep your chin up,"

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"the glass is half full,
look at yourself in the mirror"

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"everyday and say:
"I'm good enough,"

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"I'm smart enough,
people like me. "

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It's very isolating,
it really is.

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That's true,
that positive thinking bit.

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Yeah! I mean, there is a place
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on something.

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On the other side of it too,
is that the person's that's

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trying to relate to the one
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has a hard time.

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Like in high school
I looked at depression

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and I couldn't figure it out
because I was weird

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and just happy.

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Whoa, what are you doing here?

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I know!
But I remember saying

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that I thought depression
was such a waste of time.

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It came from my ignorance
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because I didn't understand.

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When I was depressed
I thought I was going crazy.

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It was like:
I can't eat, I can't sleep,

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I can't do anything,
I'm not happy,

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what's wrong with me?
Why do I feel this way?

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Maybe I'm nuts...
I'm just going psycho.

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It's a chemical imbalance
in the brain caused by genetics,

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or some bad thing that's
happened to you in your life.

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So you're saying for some
it may be chemical.

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Did you have depression
in your family?

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Yes.
Depression runs in my family.

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A couple of my aunts have it
and I have some uncles

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that have it,
and so it's one of those things.

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Talk about a family heirloom.

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"Let me pass this down. "

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You know what's really tough
for me too, is that depression

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is one that we don't talk about
either, so if it runs

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in your family
like, somebody would come up

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and say: "Oh, you have
beautiful eyes, just like"

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"your grandmother. "

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They don't say:
"Oh, you have your"

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"father's depression. "

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That's right.
[Everybody laughs]

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So that to me would be
a harder thing to understand

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about yourself as it's hitting
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a time that you feel like:
"Maybe something's hitting me. "

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Nobody in your family's
going to tell you you're prone

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to depression, or you have that
genetically and be careful

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before you slip in.

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I think what you were saying
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where that's appropriate,
to look in the mirror and say:

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"I'm happy. " or "Your ok. ",

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but that's at, I think,
the earlier part of depression

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and as you're coming out
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but in the middle,
who's been in the middle?

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Sitting there saying:
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"this anymore.
I don't know how to"

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"move anymore. "

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I think that's part of
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feeling like no matter
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it just doesn't have
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it's like you feel
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are not accomplishing
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you're not contributing
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For me personally,
depression, when I really

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went through it in the early
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It started out small
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like weeds in your back yard,
and just, kind of, took over

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the back yard in my life.

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As a little kid I was
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happy go lucky kind of kid,
but as I went through crisis

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in my life, didn't know
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thought it could be my fault,
but then people told me:

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"Oh, it's really not your
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Then, pretty soon, it's like
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and the things that are supposed
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For me, that's part of what
depression was too,

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not understanding,
being confused,

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and not having any answers,

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not having any way to deal
with those hurts

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and the pain
of changes... and stuff.

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Exactly.
Anyone else?

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What do you think Cherry?
Depression...

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I don't know.
I was really depressed

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and I had a lot of problems
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started with losing my grandpa
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and then it got worse later on
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I found out that my dad
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and these were people
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and here they're sick and dying
and it was really hard.

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I remember you told me before
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to your grandfather
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with him over at his house.

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It was like, whenever I had
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like with a friend or something,
I could go there and be with him

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and he would always
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but then he was just gone
and I had nobody

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for a little bit.
I did, but I didn't realize it.

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What was your dad's cancer?
What was that about?

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Well, he has a cancerous
brain tumor and they found

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that out about a year later
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and that was scary
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brain surgeries and he almost
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It was really scary
because I loved him,

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and he's not the same man
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so it's hard, but at least
he's still alive.

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They cut out a portion
of his brain, right?

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Yeah.

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Like the size of a fist.

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Yeah.

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So there's a lot of changes,
so what'd you do?

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Because I listened to you
and I'm thinking:

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"How would I deal with that
at 8 years old, 9 years old,"

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"10 years old?"
When you went into a depression,

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what did your depression
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I just felt like
I wasn't as good

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as anybody else,
everybody was better than me,

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I was just worthless.
I didn't feel good about myself,

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life was just... blah.

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I just...kind of...I don't know.

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In those situations
some of you that have

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experienced it more severely
than some of us who have been

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blessed to not have to
experience it so deeply,

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what do you seek,
or need,

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or what can outside people
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We can't make it better.

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There are things like prayer
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and some real personal
introspection and self discovery

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that may lend to
curing it, or dealing with it,

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I guess is a better way
of putting it,

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what can other people
in your lives,

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what can we watch for
and what can we offer?

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One thing you need to watch for
is lots of energy,

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lots of appetite,
just lots of personality,

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a person who's really really
aggravated all the time,

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every little thing
makes them mad,

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just little things like that,
just obvious things,

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and a person that wants to be
alone a lot of the time,

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some people are moody,
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with depression are moody,
they could be happy one minute

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and then just bawling
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So you just have to watch
for things like that.

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For me, as a guy,
they say that guys tend to be

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"fix it" orientated,
I just want to fix the problem,

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but there are personality types
that just want to fix

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the problem.

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Depression, as with many other
things, might be a lifetime

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struggle.

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All of us have struggles
that we'll probably struggle

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with our whole lives,
and by God's grace

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we can keep having victory
over that thing,

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but we need to realize
that depression for some people

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is one of those
life-long struggles

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and it may not be something
that we can fix right away.

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For me, something that somebody
could probably do that would

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help me, is just to say:
"I accept you just how you are,"

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"you may be depressed,
but I still care about you,"

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"and maybe we can't just fix
this like that,"

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"but we're going to
work through it. "

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You know what helped me?

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One time I remember reading
through the Bible

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and I read the story of David
and his depression for a year.

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It was like all of a sudden
I said: "Here's somebody"

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"that is ranting and raving
and saying"

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"my pillow was soaked at night,
I feel like my bones"

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"are dried up.
It seems like I can't even"

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"move or breath or anything. "

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I was so grateful to see
that in Psalms later on,

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where he talks about:
"And I love you Lord. "

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"Thank you for giving me
back my life,"

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"and thank you for filling
me with joy. "

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And all of a sudden I got hope
that there are other people

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that have been depressed.

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With David too, when I got
into my depression,

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all of a sudden everything
looked dark.

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It was like I was going:

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"Everything looks dark,
and the world looks dark,"

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"and the president's
going to court,"

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"and some kid just walked
into a school yard a shot"

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"these classrooms. " And all of
a sudden not only my own sadness

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and my own loss,
but it seemed like everything

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was happening everywhere,
and the only hope I got,

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the only hope I got was to say
there are promises in the Bible,

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there are promises of heaven,
there are promises of all that

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that I can somehow hold on to
when I'm feeling like I can't

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hold on to anything else.

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That reminds me...

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Yeah, we actually have a scene
that talks about...

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it's a dialogue I guess,

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part of it has to do with
current world view

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and maybe a world view
that someone who's depressed

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may have,
or just observations.

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Then the other side of it
is the hopeful perspective

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of what may very well
be waiting for us,

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some of the promises
that the Bible offers.

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Can you do that?

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What I believe is that sometimes
with some struggles

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that the hope is that this
is not our home.

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So, can you do that?

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Yeah, we'd love to,
thank you.

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It's pretty heavy...

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...but it is depression
we're talking about.

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Guess it can't very well be
farcical, can it?

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Okay...
[both clear their throats].

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Sometimes I wish I could
cease to exist.

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It would be my... conscientious
objection against society.

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It's this... this place,
Earth in general, it just isn't

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right for me.

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Come to think of it,
it isn't right for you either.

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You see, we're not supposed
to be here.

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We were created perfect.

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My name is Ellen.
Ellen White,

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and my friends,
many years ago,

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I saw a vision of our
home to be in the New Earth,

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with Jesus at our head,
we descended out of heaven

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from the great city,
down to this Earth

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and there was a mighty plain,
and then we looked up

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and saw the great city
coming down from God

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out of heaven and it settled
on the place where we stood.

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But we walked outside
of the city to see

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the glories that lay there,
and there I saw many houses

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made of silver,
which were to be inhabited

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by the saints,
and in each was a golden shelf.

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I watched as many of the saints
walked in to the houses,

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took off their glittering crowns

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and laid them on
the golden shelf,

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and walked out of the houses
to a field nearby.

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A light shone about their heads
as they were continuously

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offering praise to God.

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I went to Chicago once,
you know what the welcoming

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side is as you're driving
into the city?

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It's the factories.

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They're pouring tones of
thick, black, billowing smoke

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into the air.

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There's just something wrong
about living in a society

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where a building
has the capacity to turn

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day into night time.

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I don't know, for all I know,
it's the same in New York

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and Los Angeles too,
you know?

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It just isn't right.

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Then I saw many flowers.
And as I plucked the flowers,

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I cried out:
"These will never fade. "

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And then there was a field
of grass, tall grass,

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and it was a living green.

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It had the appearance of silver
and gold as it waved proudly

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to the glory of King Jesus.

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Then we came to another field
where there were many beasts,

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the lion and the lamb,
the leopard and the wolf,

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all lay together in perfect
harmony.

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And they followed peaceably
after us as we passed through,

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and we came to a wood next,

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but not like our woods:
dark, dirty. No!

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But all over, light
and beautiful,

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with the trees waving
to and fro, but we passed

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through the wood, for we were
on our way to Mt. Zion.

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Next I saw a company of others
who were also gazing

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at the wonders of this place.

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As we greeted them,
I asked Jesus who they were.

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For I noticed that their robes
were pure white,

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and their garments had red
as a border around them,

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and their crowns were brilliant.

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When I asked Jesus
who they were, He said

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they were martyrs
who had been slain for Him.

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With them was an innumerable
company of little ones.

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Things have gotten way
out of hand.

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There's just something wrong
about living in a society

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where 1 out of 3 women
are raped every year.

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These women are our wives,
our sisters, our mothers,

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our daughters
and our girlfriends.

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And kids...

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Every year 3 million
children are abused.

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And those are only the cases
that are reported.

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Every day they're having
their souls ripped

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out of their weak,
weak grasp,

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while someone they look up to
abuses them.

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Mt. Zion was just ahead
and there was a temple on it.

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And around it were
7 other mountains

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on which grew roses
and lilies.

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I watched as the little ones
climbed, or if they so chose,

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used their little wings
to fly to the top

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of the mountains, and pluck
the never fading flowers.

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The beauties I there saw,
I can not describe.

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Oh, that I could speak
in the language of Canaan,

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and then perhaps
I could tell just a little

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of the glory
of the better place.

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Jesus walked ahead of us
into the city.

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But soon we heard His lovely
voice calling out to us:

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"Come in my people,
to sup, for you have come"

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"through great tribulation,
you have suffered,"

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"but you have done My will,
come in, for I will gird Myself"

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"and I will serve you. "

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As I went into the city,
I saw a table of pure silver

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which extended many miles
in length, and yet my eyes

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could pass over it.

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And on that table
there was the fruit of the tree

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of life,
the manna,

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and the figs,
and the almonds, and many other

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kinds of fruit.

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Nobody belongs here,

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but here we are.

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We think and speak and laugh
and sing and do things of all

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kinds on purpose.

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We do all these things
because we don't belong here.

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This is not our home.

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Look around you,
this is a cave.

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What are we doing in a cave?

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We're meant to be
with the angels.

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What are we doing
in these bodies?

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For some reason,
we're trying so hard,

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helplessly, to pretend
that we are in them

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and that we belong in them.

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And that we are here,
and that we belong here.

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I asked Jesus if I could
eat of the fruit,

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but He said "No. "

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"For those who eat of the fruit
of this land go back to Earth"

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"no more. But soon," He said,

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"if faithful, you will both,"

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"eat of the fruit of the tree
of life, and drink"

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"of the water of the fountain.
But now you must go back"

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"and relate to others
what I have shown you. "

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And then an angel
bore me gently downward

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to this dark word.

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Sometimes I wish I could
stand on the edge

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of the universe.

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And if I could,
I'd get out there and I'd shout:

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"The night shift is over,
it's time to go home. "

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Nobody belongs here.

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I mean, it's somewhere...

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...somehow...

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there's a beauty to be found
in the acceptance

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of the struggle.

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Sometimes I think I can
bear it here no longer.

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The things of Earth
are very dreary to me.

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I am very lonely here,

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for I have seen a better land.

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Oh that I had the wings
of a dove

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and then I would fly away

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and be at rest.

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Amen.

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I think of that,
and I think it's an incredible

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hope for me to know
that there's heaven.

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There are times
that I look around

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and most of my family are dying
and they're drug addicts

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and alcoholics,
and even the people

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that aren't from that kind
of background, have grandfathers

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who die, I think it's
a sad thing

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00:22:39,030 --> 00:22:42,490
and to be able to know that
this is not our home,

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that we have a place,
that Jesus is waiting for us,

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it's just a matter of time.
Does that help anybody?

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00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:55,310
Just the feeling that no matter
how hard we try,

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we are not going to be able
to fit here,

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that's somewhat comforting.

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00:23:00,860 --> 00:23:03,450
To me, I think about heaven,

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I look around our world,

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00:23:05,060 --> 00:23:08,090
and I see the tears,
and the pain that's suffered,

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00:23:08,670 --> 00:23:11,420
people losing loved one,
or people having chemical

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imbalances that are so hard
to control and get over.

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I keep thinking about
the end of the Bible

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when in the last chapters
it talks about heaven,

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and it talks about what's
going to happen,

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and it paints this picture
of God

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coming down and touching
your cheek and wiping

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away every one of those tears
that you ever shed.

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It is the awesomest picture
that I ever imagined in my life.

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Isn't that a great thing?

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00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,260
That makes me feel like
I want to tell somebody,

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I want to tell somebody
that even through the sadness,

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that even through all that stuff
that you know what?

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This is not our home,
and we have promises of joy now,

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00:23:48,970 --> 00:23:50,870
but also we have hope,

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which a lot of people
don't have.

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00:23:53,170 --> 00:23:55,520
You know Jason, I heard you
sing a song that is

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00:23:55,550 --> 00:23:57,810
similar to the thing

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that they just acted out
for us.

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00:24:00,350 --> 00:24:02,990
Uh-huh, it's a song
that was actually taken

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partly from the vision that
Jackie related to us.

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00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:09,770
I don't remember the name
of the guy that wrote it,

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00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:11,650
but it's a really good song.

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00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,300
Will you play it for us?

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00:24:13,340 --> 00:24:14,930
Yeah, I'd love to play it.

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00:24:21,530 --> 00:24:26,500
I want to go to heaven,
pick a never-fading flower

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from the mountains overlooking

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the temple of my God.

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I want to go to heaven,

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where all is bright and glory,

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00:24:39,690 --> 00:24:43,290
how I long to be
with Jesus,

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how I long to be with God.

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00:24:47,130 --> 00:24:49,380
Sometimes I think

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00:24:49,470 --> 00:24:52,730
I can stay here no longer.

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00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:55,790
I feel very lonely here

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00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:59,270
for I have seen a better land.

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Oh, that I had wings like a dove

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then would I fly away
and be at rest.

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00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:18,340
I want to go to heaven.

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00:25:18,380 --> 00:25:21,670
I want to hear the
voice of Jesus.

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00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:24,790
"You have washed your robes
in My blood,"

477
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,350
"and stood stiffly
for my truth. "

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00:25:29,170 --> 00:25:31,270
And when I get to heaven

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I'll cast my crown
at Jesus' feet.

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00:25:34,420 --> 00:25:37,490
I want to praise
His name forever,

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00:25:37,730 --> 00:25:41,460
He has done so much for me.

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00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,260
Sometimes I think

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00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:47,620
I can't stay
here any longer,

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00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:53,950
I feel very lonely here,
for I have seen a better land.

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Oh, that I had wings like a dove

486
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then would I fly away

487
00:26:02,780 --> 00:26:06,060
and be at rest.

488
00:26:07,290 --> 00:26:12,870
Oh, that I had wings like a dove

489
00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:15,850
then would I fly away

490
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,070
and be at rest.

491
00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:27,170
Fly away.

492
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:29,300
Wow. That's great.
Beautiful.

493
00:26:29,340 --> 00:26:33,390
Thank you very much for sharing
your stories about depression

494
00:26:33,550 --> 00:26:36,090
and it's really tough
to share that because

495
00:26:36,990 --> 00:26:39,450
it reminds us of the sadness.

496
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:42,240
It's more fun to talk
about the joy, the peace

497
00:26:42,270 --> 00:26:44,980
you found in Christ,
and I know each one of us

498
00:26:45,010 --> 00:26:47,600
has found that,
which is a good thing.

499
00:26:48,780 --> 00:26:51,420
Please remember that no matter
what you're feeling,

500
00:26:51,450 --> 00:26:54,060
no matter what you see
in this world that is painful,

501
00:26:54,090 --> 00:26:56,030
is that we were never meant
to be here.

502
00:26:56,060 --> 00:26:58,140
We were never meant
to experience death,

503
00:26:58,170 --> 00:27:00,220
we were never meant to lose
people we love.

504
00:27:01,190 --> 00:27:03,730
God says: "Just look to me,
put everything away"

505
00:27:03,770 --> 00:27:06,350
"that you think you're suppose
to discover here, and just look"

506
00:27:06,380 --> 00:27:08,990
"to Me and ask Me:
What is it about this world"

507
00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:11,820
"that I need to know?
And what is it about the next"

508
00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:14,610
"world that I need to know
in order to give me hope?"

509
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:17,640
I remember a time in my life
that I was depressed.

510
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,180
I got all these self-help books,
I got tones of them.

511
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:23,570
What I discovered is that
they weren't doing me any good,

512
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,910
and the only good I ever got
was if I turned it over to God

513
00:27:26,940 --> 00:27:29,780
and said: "Please,
give me hope, take this away. "

514
00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:31,210
And He did.

515
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:34,720
I'd like to end with Psalms 30:5
and it says,

516
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,370
remember one thing, that

517
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"weeping may remain for a night,
but rejoicing comes

518
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,030
in the morning." So remember,
joy comes in the morning.

519
00:27:43,060 --> 00:27:44,620
Thanks for joining us
on Teen Pathways,

520
00:27:44,660 --> 00:27:48,130
and we'll see you next time.
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