1 00:00:07,940 --> 00:00:10,140 Teen Pathways 2 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:19,490 Hello! 3 00:00:19,525 --> 00:00:20,385 Hi guys! 4 00:00:20,420 --> 00:00:22,845 Tim especially you're going to love this topic. 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,980 Today qwe're going to talk about "Pschichics or pszichos". 6 00:00:26,015 --> 00:00:29,710 You decide. The reason we chose this, it seems like 7 00:00:29,745 --> 00:00:31,655 no matter where I go throughout the country, 8 00:00:31,690 --> 00:00:35,335 if I go to a youth ralley or talk to a youth group 9 00:00:35,370 --> 00:00:39,280 or go to a school, this seems like this is always the issue. 10 00:00:39,315 --> 00:00:42,612 The issue comes up with why witches or Wicca, 11 00:00:42,647 --> 00:00:45,875 or horoscopes or numerality getting the cards. 12 00:00:45,910 --> 00:00:48,995 There's even a place on the internet that you can go 13 00:00:49,030 --> 00:00:52,045 and get your cards read. And we want to cover what's 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,840 all about and how safe is that. But before we get into the show 15 00:00:54,875 --> 00:00:57,695 I want to introduce you to the guests that we have 16 00:00:57,730 --> 00:01:00,920 the hosts that we have, they're from all over the place 17 00:01:00,955 --> 00:01:04,075 different backgrounds, but each person on this Saturday 18 00:01:04,110 --> 00:01:07,080 has some history with this topic. And so can we start with you? 19 00:01:07,115 --> 00:01:11,145 Yeah, I'm Tim Backburn from Eagle, Idaho. 20 00:01:11,180 --> 00:01:15,250 My name is Rachel Crocker and I'm from Willamina, Oregon. 21 00:01:15,285 --> 00:01:19,320 My name is Gavin Sailsbery and I'm from Yakima, Washington. 22 00:01:19,355 --> 00:01:22,305 My Name is Mercy Brooklyn I'm from Lafayette, Oregon. 23 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:26,380 My name is Jackie Ravine and I'm a student at Walla Walla College. 24 00:01:26,415 --> 00:01:29,640 My name is Paddy McCoy, I'm also a student at Walla Walla 25 00:01:29,675 --> 00:01:31,105 College. 26 00:01:31,140 --> 00:01:34,750 Great. Thank you for joining us and I'm going to start right 27 00:01:34,785 --> 00:01:39,307 off with you, Tim, if that's ok, because I know your history 28 00:01:39,342 --> 00:01:43,795 and I know that you can explain to us what is witchcraft. 29 00:01:43,830 --> 00:01:46,600 What is Wicca? What is it that you, I mean do you have to learn 30 00:01:46,635 --> 00:01:50,007 something when you get into that and how do you get into that? 31 00:01:50,042 --> 00:01:53,301 And can you tell us a little bit about where you came from? 32 00:01:53,336 --> 00:01:56,560 I mean, did you come from a Christian home and how you got 33 00:01:56,595 --> 00:01:58,275 into it and what you learned about? 34 00:01:58,310 --> 00:02:02,265 Ok. I came from a very Christian home, born and raised 35 00:02:02,300 --> 00:02:06,500 in a Christian home. And just basically I got involved with 36 00:02:06,535 --> 00:02:10,700 some friends who were into it and it kind of started from there 37 00:02:10,735 --> 00:02:16,180 One thing that like white magic and stuff is what they say 38 00:02:16,215 --> 00:02:23,290 is white magic is power for good and you basically 39 00:02:23,325 --> 00:02:26,435 just kind of, if you really are into it, 40 00:02:26,470 --> 00:02:29,720 you can go to like bookstores, go on the internet, 41 00:02:29,755 --> 00:02:31,415 you can go anywhere. 42 00:02:31,450 --> 00:02:32,805 I have to say, I have to interrupt in that. When they 43 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,180 say power for good, is that what the draw is that somebody tells 44 00:02:37,215 --> 00:02:40,140 you that this is not an evil thing, this is actually, 45 00:02:40,175 --> 00:02:41,905 you're doing something that's really good. 46 00:02:41,940 --> 00:02:46,170 Yeah, the no. 1 rule of Wicca is if there shall no harm 47 00:02:46,205 --> 00:02:50,400 do it that will. and that just basically says if we don't 48 00:02:50,435 --> 00:02:52,940 harm anyone, do whatever you want, basically. 49 00:02:52,975 --> 00:02:56,610 So it's just basically power for good. 50 00:02:56,645 --> 00:03:00,895 Power for good over evil. 51 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:04,565 And so what is it when you got reading material, 52 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,090 or when you start researching, what kind of material did you 53 00:03:07,125 --> 00:03:07,825 have to get? 54 00:03:07,860 --> 00:03:12,775 Just basic books on like magic, or like white magic, 55 00:03:12,810 --> 00:03:16,515 or Wicca or anything like that. You can get it anywhere. 56 00:03:16,550 --> 00:03:20,220 Somebody told me that they actually went out like satanic 57 00:03:20,255 --> 00:03:22,645 Bibles and different things. Is that available? 58 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:27,085 I went to just down the bookstores in Boysee, Idaho, 59 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,490 and I just picked one up and you can get it anywhere 60 00:03:31,525 --> 00:03:35,035 in any bookstore and it's amazing. 61 00:03:35,070 --> 00:03:40,315 And this is, I guess the new crave, because 62 00:03:40,350 --> 00:03:42,700 you have Wicca and everything involved in nature, 63 00:03:42,735 --> 00:03:46,252 and everything in nature involves itself 64 00:03:46,287 --> 00:03:49,735 nature that's good, stuff like that. 65 00:03:49,770 --> 00:03:55,325 And it's not. And that's so why satan's giving us all. 66 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,730 is that this is power for good it's not, it's power for evil. 67 00:03:59,765 --> 00:04:02,575 It's just really disguised. 68 00:04:02,610 --> 00:04:05,205 It seems like such an easy trap to fall into, 69 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,800 that sort of sideline experience that I've had with it, 70 00:04:09,835 --> 00:04:13,422 has been indirectly through my parents. My father is 71 00:04:13,457 --> 00:04:17,010 a proffessional magician, and very good at what he does, 72 00:04:17,045 --> 00:04:21,032 a great illusionist. There was a time years ago, 73 00:04:21,067 --> 00:04:24,985 when he looked for some more powerful illusions, 74 00:04:25,020 --> 00:04:27,745 than just what he had in his show, and in his little bag 75 00:04:27,780 --> 00:04:30,470 of tricks and so it wasn't necessarily that he was looking 76 00:04:30,505 --> 00:04:34,765 to do good for humanity. That was, certainly made it 77 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,280 appealing also, or that he was just self seeking in wanting 78 00:04:38,315 --> 00:04:41,760 to get, went back an ex girlfriend or anything like that. 79 00:04:41,795 --> 00:04:45,715 Those are things that you can also find for too, 80 00:04:45,750 --> 00:04:49,700 but for him, he was purely proffessionally endeavoured 81 00:04:49,735 --> 00:04:54,895 that he went on and he began to study white magic 82 00:04:54,930 --> 00:04:58,640 and that's began a journey that led to a lot of turmoil 83 00:04:58,675 --> 00:05:02,350 for he and my mother and my brother and I when we were 84 00:05:02,385 --> 00:05:05,365 babies and children. 85 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:06,935 I personally, because I can relate to that, 86 00:05:06,970 --> 00:05:10,370 personally I was feeling very powerless at one time in my 87 00:05:10,405 --> 00:05:13,770 life and I was feeling powerless I didn't belong and I really 88 00:05:13,805 --> 00:05:17,120 wanted badly to feel connected. And so someone gave me 89 00:05:17,155 --> 00:05:20,085 a book and said: oh this is an incredible book 90 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,140 and I talked about it. It talked about the power that 91 00:05:24,175 --> 00:05:26,477 we are connected from generation to generation 92 00:05:26,512 --> 00:05:28,745 and those kind of these cosmic psychic connection 93 00:05:28,780 --> 00:05:31,885 and all that kind of stuff and so I started to read this 94 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,380 book and I started to get into it and I remember just feeling 95 00:05:35,415 --> 00:05:38,840 almost seduced. It was like this kind of, this all the sudden 96 00:05:38,875 --> 00:05:42,500 I am connected with all women from every generation 97 00:05:42,535 --> 00:05:45,027 and I have all knowlege from every generation, 98 00:05:45,062 --> 00:05:47,485 and then there was a point where I was reading it 99 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:52,460 that God almost out loud told me what satan had told Eve in the 100 00:05:52,495 --> 00:05:56,522 garden. You'll know everything. And I thought, all the sudden 101 00:05:56,557 --> 00:06:00,550 I just jumped back and I thought oh, no, so this is, I thought 102 00:06:00,585 --> 00:06:03,055 this was like New Age and it's like no, no, no, 103 00:06:03,090 --> 00:06:06,330 this is old stuff. And did you find that, Tim, or anybody, 104 00:06:06,365 --> 00:06:09,570 did you find that there's a point when you were getting into 105 00:06:09,605 --> 00:06:12,640 something and then all the sudden spiritually 106 00:06:12,675 --> 00:06:16,255 God said: this is scary stuff? 107 00:06:16,290 --> 00:06:19,115 Yeah. I was reading a book on Wicca well spells, 108 00:06:19,150 --> 00:06:22,340 and I read the introduction and the introduction said: 109 00:06:22,375 --> 00:06:26,065 if you put a lovespell on someone you're already 110 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:30,310 in love, that they'll accidently die or kill themselves. 111 00:06:30,345 --> 00:06:34,067 And it's like right there, you're saying: 112 00:06:34,102 --> 00:06:37,790 wow! You're obviously not in the right place. 113 00:06:37,825 --> 00:06:39,255 That doesn't sound too good. 114 00:06:39,290 --> 00:06:41,100 It doesn't sound too good and anything that comes from 115 00:06:41,135 --> 00:06:45,100 God, God would not kill a single person. 116 00:06:45,135 --> 00:06:48,845 Because God is all love. 117 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,065 It's interesting that you mentioned Wicca love spells, 118 00:06:52,100 --> 00:06:56,015 because my mother, after she and my father were separated, 119 00:06:56,050 --> 00:06:59,895 continued to use white magic a little bit and one of my 120 00:06:59,930 --> 00:07:03,740 earliest memories was when I was smaller than I am now, 121 00:07:03,775 --> 00:07:07,825 obviously long time ago, it's true. 122 00:07:07,860 --> 00:07:12,575 I was propably about 4 and we were in our kitchen 123 00:07:12,610 --> 00:07:15,705 and it was my mom and my brother and I. She had just recently 124 00:07:15,740 --> 00:07:18,690 had a split from her boyfriend who had been very good to her 125 00:07:18,725 --> 00:07:21,640 and to my brother and I. And she wanted desperately to get 126 00:07:21,675 --> 00:07:24,170 him back. And so we were in our kitchen, 127 00:07:28,030 --> 00:07:28,030 and on the stove was this, like little pot of stuff 128 00:07:28,065 --> 00:07:29,835 and it had some of his hair and woodstuff. 129 00:07:29,870 --> 00:07:34,195 And she gave each my brother and I a black candle 130 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:37,525 and she one, too, and she had us wave it over this pot 131 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,780 and say this chant with her. And she said when we were done, 132 00:07:40,815 --> 00:07:42,785 we're going to have pizza. And we were like: 133 00:07:42,820 --> 00:07:48,680 ok, cool! So we were doing this and then when we finished 134 00:07:48,715 --> 00:07:50,247 blew out the candles, turned off the oven, 135 00:07:50,282 --> 00:07:51,745 turned around then go across the kitchen, 136 00:07:51,780 --> 00:07:54,375 and get our pizza and my and my brother fell down 137 00:07:54,410 --> 00:07:57,560 and I looked up to my mom and he looked at me and he said: 138 00:07:57,595 --> 00:08:00,710 something has got my legs something won't let me go, mom, 139 00:08:00,745 --> 00:08:04,235 and he was maybe 5 or 6, something won't let me go, 140 00:08:04,270 --> 00:08:08,080 and he started crying and my mom reached over and grabbed him 141 00:08:08,115 --> 00:08:11,285 and he was fine as soon as she touched him. 142 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,860 And this which started out to be and endeavoured to get 143 00:08:14,895 --> 00:08:18,067 the whole point of the spell was to get her boyfriend back 144 00:08:18,102 --> 00:08:21,240 he was so good to us. And ended up being a very scary thing 145 00:08:21,275 --> 00:08:23,885 for my brother. And the thing is it worked. 146 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,785 Her boyfriend came back and when her boyfriend came back, 147 00:08:27,820 --> 00:08:31,650 one of the first thing that he did, was an anger one time 148 00:08:31,685 --> 00:08:33,840 he had never reached out and touched us in anger. 149 00:08:33,875 --> 00:08:37,185 But in anger he grabbed my brother, Bobby, 150 00:08:37,220 --> 00:08:39,340 who seemed to be the body in devil about this great stuff 151 00:08:39,375 --> 00:08:41,755 that my mom was doing, by the ear and lifted 152 00:08:41,790 --> 00:08:46,405 him up and shook him in bed. And so this witch starts out 153 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,150 being for such a seemingly good or selfless endeavour, 154 00:08:50,185 --> 00:08:53,860 to have a nice relationship and maybe build a family 155 00:08:53,895 --> 00:08:57,515 for my mother and her kids, rot evil. 156 00:08:57,550 --> 00:09:02,580 It's almost like, to me the sense I get, was saying 157 00:09:02,615 --> 00:09:04,800 you can have him back at the cost of your son. 158 00:09:04,835 --> 00:09:06,335 Oh, yeah. 159 00:09:06,370 --> 00:09:11,290 One of the most interesting things to me about the topic 160 00:09:11,325 --> 00:09:14,107 today is that I have a very close family member 161 00:09:14,142 --> 00:09:16,855 to me that is very curious about all this things 162 00:09:16,890 --> 00:09:20,645 and exploring these things and reading up and all of this 163 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:26,220 type of stuff and it just seems to me that it is such a subtle 164 00:09:26,255 --> 00:09:29,942 thing to begin with that people get involved with it 165 00:09:29,977 --> 00:09:33,033 it it's subtletess that you can go along with this, 166 00:09:33,068 --> 00:09:36,055 a little bit of that, I mean like a love spell. 167 00:09:36,090 --> 00:09:39,530 What really seems so harmless about that if we look on 168 00:09:39,565 --> 00:09:42,935 the television screen in moovies on our newspapers 169 00:09:42,970 --> 00:09:46,925 and all these type of things, we see signs of this stuf 170 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,845 everywhere. I mean I can remember watching starwars. 171 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,990 when I was little and going home and just wishing I can find 172 00:09:55,025 --> 00:09:59,787 some way to like moove things. And thinking how cool 173 00:09:59,822 --> 00:10:04,076 that'd be and so it seems like the curiosity is sparkled 174 00:10:04,111 --> 00:10:08,330 in such a subtle way and you get into it and I don't know 175 00:10:08,365 --> 00:10:11,312 if you guys want to respond to this in your personal 176 00:10:11,347 --> 00:10:14,260 experience, because it seems like the subtleness happens 177 00:10:14,295 --> 00:10:15,805 and satan gets you through the door. 178 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,000 And then gets you deeper and deeper ubtill you don't feel 179 00:10:19,035 --> 00:10:21,345 like you can ever get out. 180 00:10:21,380 --> 00:10:25,070 I've had experiences with that and it's like you start 181 00:10:25,105 --> 00:10:28,215 and then pretty soon you forget everything good. 182 00:10:28,250 --> 00:10:34,490 everything kind, everything with love, and you just can't remember 183 00:10:34,525 --> 00:10:37,922 and in one situation I couldn't remember the name Jesus. 184 00:10:37,957 --> 00:10:41,285 I tried and I tried and I couldn't remember how to pray, 185 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,350 and it was just this unbelievable feeling of being frightened, 186 00:10:46,385 --> 00:10:51,380 words couldn't describe, even at the time, and I wasn't afraid 187 00:10:51,415 --> 00:10:56,375 of phisical power, it was purely emotional. 188 00:10:56,410 --> 00:10:59,310 My body was fine, I was oblivious to the fact that 189 00:10:59,345 --> 00:11:02,175 whatever was happening to my body, but my mind 190 00:11:02,210 --> 00:11:08,100 it was so trapped, and I found a text in the Bible, 191 00:11:08,135 --> 00:11:12,577 it's Matthew 7:15 and it speaks about false prophets 192 00:11:12,612 --> 00:11:17,020 in shheep's clothing, but really are raving wolves. 193 00:11:17,055 --> 00:11:18,635 It will wrip you up. 194 00:11:18,670 --> 00:11:22,255 Just tear the shreds. And that was really powerful, 195 00:11:22,290 --> 00:11:25,805 and then there was another really good scripture, 196 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:34,470 it was in 1 John 4:1 and it talks about: "Believe not every 197 00:11:34,505 --> 00:11:37,000 spirit but try the spirits, whether they are of God, 198 00:11:37,035 --> 00:11:39,637 because many false prophets are in the world. " 199 00:11:39,672 --> 00:11:42,205 You know what I like? What i think is so powerful 200 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,540 about that, Gavin? It's the fact that I have come from such a 201 00:11:46,575 --> 00:11:49,937 I think, a dark background and now that I look around, 202 00:11:49,972 --> 00:11:53,300 I think that that is subtle, we get pulled away so subtely 203 00:11:53,335 --> 00:11:57,035 and satan is real, the demonic activity is real, 204 00:11:57,070 --> 00:12:01,420 and they are angry. The Bible says satan is like a roaring 205 00:12:01,455 --> 00:12:03,395 lion and he looks around to see who he can devour 206 00:12:03,430 --> 00:12:07,185 and we just sometimes have no idea of the amount of the 207 00:12:07,220 --> 00:12:10,905 activity that's around us and we just kind of whistle 208 00:12:10,940 --> 00:12:15,500 through life. And that scares me. It scares me so much that I think 209 00:12:15,535 --> 00:12:18,815 that we should know what we're up against. 210 00:12:18,850 --> 00:12:26,130 The Bible says like in Ephesians 6:12. Can I read it? 211 00:12:26,165 --> 00:12:26,515 yeah. 212 00:12:26,550 --> 00:12:29,610 Ok. It says: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, 213 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,325 but against principalities, against powers, 214 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,060 against the rulers of the darkness of this world, 215 00:12:37,095 --> 00:12:40,760 against spiritual wickedness in high places. " 216 00:12:40,795 --> 00:12:43,380 And it's not a battle of blood and flesh, 217 00:12:43,415 --> 00:12:45,135 it's a battle of powerful spirits, 218 00:12:45,170 --> 00:12:50,170 the ones that are very powerful. More then we can even comprehend. 219 00:12:50,205 --> 00:12:54,565 Exactly. And we're talking of major things. 220 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,685 There's also small things that we get involved in. 221 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:02,390 Yeah, you talk about the subtlety I mean, not long ago I was 222 00:13:02,425 --> 00:13:07,260 reading books like, series of books and they seem so 223 00:13:07,295 --> 00:13:08,995 innocent like ok, there's is a wampire, 224 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:12,495 you don't think that that's going to affect you. 225 00:13:12,530 --> 00:13:16,250 But sometimes when you read it, you just get thinking: 226 00:13:16,285 --> 00:13:17,845 oh, maybe there are people like that out there, 227 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,040 and maybe this really can happen, maybe this magic would really 228 00:13:21,075 --> 00:13:24,425 work, and you just think: maybe if I try it, it would 229 00:13:24,460 --> 00:13:28,255 work. And it's scary, because my mom had caught me reading 230 00:13:28,290 --> 00:13:32,620 them, I would have, every single book in the series try it myself. 231 00:13:32,655 --> 00:13:38,220 Because it was just like kind of grip on me and my mom says 232 00:13:38,255 --> 00:13:41,040 satan does anything to open the door for you, 233 00:13:41,075 --> 00:13:45,645 to go, to be satanic andstuff. 234 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:49,090 Exactly. and he let's it work. He'll let it work to get you 235 00:13:49,125 --> 00:13:50,275 sucked in. 236 00:13:50,310 --> 00:13:54,710 And a thing is, too, that satan knows the type of things 237 00:13:54,745 --> 00:13:56,837 you to like, he can get you in something like that. 238 00:13:56,872 --> 00:13:58,930 It's not like he's going to jump out: I'm satan. 239 00:13:58,965 --> 00:14:02,135 Because you take off. You freek out. 240 00:14:02,170 --> 00:14:04,265 So it's going to be something like through books. 241 00:14:04,300 --> 00:14:08,320 Through the moovies you watch it's going to spark your 242 00:14:08,355 --> 00:14:10,135 curiosity and it sets you down that path. 243 00:14:10,170 --> 00:14:14,175 So we've had ann experience with satan a little bit. 244 00:14:14,210 --> 00:14:21,730 Because we were kind of talking when, and we were both kind of 245 00:14:21,765 --> 00:14:25,575 like, because we were both pretty new in Christianity, 246 00:14:25,610 --> 00:14:31,475 with god and our relationship, and because, I think, because 247 00:14:31,510 --> 00:14:35,580 I read the satanic Bible and satan has had such a grip in my 248 00:14:35,615 --> 00:14:40,635 life, that he must have spoken through Gavin, 249 00:14:40,670 --> 00:14:44,825 because it was amazing and I know Gavin wasn't speaking, 250 00:14:44,860 --> 00:14:48,280 because he started talking about how satan has a grip on him, 251 00:14:48,315 --> 00:14:50,945 how satan's hand is directing him right now, 252 00:14:50,980 --> 00:14:55,850 and how, like moments like these if he had a gun, 253 00:14:55,885 --> 00:14:58,097 he brought brains out and stuff like that, 254 00:14:58,132 --> 00:15:00,275 and it's not Gavin, because I know Gavin, 255 00:15:00,310 --> 00:15:05,320 very well. And that was not Gavin speaking. That was someone else. 256 00:15:05,355 --> 00:15:09,040 I couldn't remember anything. I tried and I tried 257 00:15:09,075 --> 00:15:10,835 And I couldn't remember Jesus' name. 258 00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:15,550 And that in itself, and I tried and I couldn't bring 259 00:15:15,585 --> 00:15:20,195 myself to pray either. And I could actually see it 260 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:23,630 and the thing I remember most, is, there was 3 footfingers. 261 00:15:23,665 --> 00:15:26,892 And there was questioning me. And it wasn't physically or 262 00:15:26,927 --> 00:15:30,120 spiritually, that I was telling that it was crashing me. 263 00:15:30,155 --> 00:15:35,172 And I can't fight back. and it also blocked me, 264 00:15:35,207 --> 00:15:40,190 and I couldn't pray to God. I felt so helpless, 265 00:15:40,225 --> 00:15:43,665 alone and scared, you have no idea. 266 00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:46,365 And I guess that that's what I want to say too, 267 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,350 because I've had an experience, a similar experience to that 268 00:15:48,385 --> 00:15:50,225 when I was coiming out of all my stuff, 269 00:15:50,260 --> 00:15:53,730 is that I felt that that I had been on satan's 270 00:15:53,765 --> 00:15:56,337 ground, I've been on that and they were very angry 271 00:15:56,372 --> 00:15:58,875 that all the sudde I was going in a direction, 272 00:15:58,910 --> 00:16:01,695 that I was helpful. And so when you talk about fear, 273 00:16:01,730 --> 00:16:05,385 this is a real experience that, it's a very real experience, 274 00:16:05,420 --> 00:16:09,040 would you have believed that any point, when you started 275 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:14,960 getting into stepping out of, what I think, is safety around 276 00:16:14,995 --> 00:16:17,402 God and I know that kind of protection around God, 277 00:16:17,437 --> 00:16:19,578 when you started stepping out, would you have thought, 278 00:16:19,613 --> 00:16:21,720 that you would be in a place that was so dangerous 279 00:16:21,755 --> 00:16:22,525 and so feaerful? 280 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:27,465 Oh, no. The only way I can describe it, is like, 281 00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:30,665 God's power has been over me. His veil of love has been 282 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:36,100 over me my whole entire life. And then, I just, I emotionally 283 00:16:36,135 --> 00:16:39,962 wasn't attached to God that moment, and I kind of turned 284 00:16:39,997 --> 00:16:44,658 my back on. I can't really say that I did it on purpose. 285 00:16:44,693 --> 00:16:48,966 It just happened. I felt sure of being worried with Him, 286 00:16:49,001 --> 00:16:53,870 and He kind of lifted His veil, so I could see what was out 287 00:16:53,905 --> 00:16:57,902 there. and it just frightened me. And He said: ok, look, 288 00:16:57,937 --> 00:17:01,753 just look! And He didn't take controll of my body or 289 00:17:01,788 --> 00:17:06,114 anything, it was just, I saw how I spiritually could 290 00:17:06,149 --> 00:17:10,440 be. The pottential weaknesses and then He covered me back 291 00:17:10,475 --> 00:17:12,375 up as soon as I was in daylight again. 292 00:17:12,410 --> 00:17:17,965 Incredible! And it's so powerful, I want to say that 293 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,850 there's one thing that I read in the Bible that it shocked me. 294 00:17:21,885 --> 00:17:24,845 It says: most of the time we're led away, 295 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:30,350 by our lust and by our curiosity, it's like all the sudden nobody 296 00:17:30,385 --> 00:17:33,125 is going to come and say: you know what? 297 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,555 I'm just going to grab you and I'm not going to let you go. 298 00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:37,950 Although that happens. But most of the time what happens 299 00:17:37,985 --> 00:17:39,957 is, we see something over here and say: 300 00:17:39,992 --> 00:17:41,930 wow! That looks fun! That looks exciting! 301 00:17:41,965 --> 00:17:44,205 I want to try that. 302 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,675 I'd like to have that power. That is cool! 303 00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:49,400 And one thing about getting into witchcraft and that kind 304 00:17:49,435 --> 00:17:52,067 of thing, is when you see that your power has scared someone, 305 00:17:52,102 --> 00:17:54,771 like you were talking, Tim, one time that you had like wudu 306 00:17:54,806 --> 00:17:57,440 dalls, and actually could use those and that's scary to people. 307 00:17:57,475 --> 00:17:58,875 So, all the sudden there's power in that. 308 00:17:58,910 --> 00:18:02,735 and I think that we naturally, want that at times. 309 00:18:02,770 --> 00:18:06,615 and we get lead away so slowly from that. Just like Eve, 310 00:18:06,650 --> 00:18:10,040 when Eve wanted the knowlege, she was like at the tree, 311 00:18:10,075 --> 00:18:13,430 and satan says, Genesis, the first part of the Bible, 312 00:18:13,465 --> 00:18:15,825 Eve says: I want to know everything, 313 00:18:15,860 --> 00:18:19,275 I want to be like God. And that's what satan says: 314 00:18:19,310 --> 00:18:22,580 you can be like God if you do this. I give you power that is 315 00:18:22,615 --> 00:18:24,985 unbelievable if you just follow me. 316 00:18:25,020 --> 00:18:27,815 sometimes you, the reason I was reading those books, 317 00:18:27,850 --> 00:18:30,605 because I was bored, I had nothing to do. sometimes 318 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,325 you just do it, because there's nothing else to do. 319 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:37,470 And you feel like: wow! Maybe if I do this, it'll bring excitement 320 00:18:37,505 --> 00:18:38,575 into my life. 321 00:18:38,610 --> 00:18:43,050 I think that a big reason, too, is that we're not walking 322 00:18:43,085 --> 00:18:47,490 spiritually towatrds God, and it leaves room for them 323 00:18:47,525 --> 00:18:48,252 to fall behind. 324 00:18:48,287 --> 00:18:48,945 a good point! 325 00:18:48,980 --> 00:18:51,305 If they're not moving forward, they're passed up. 326 00:18:51,340 --> 00:18:55,755 We often, I'm a Christian, and because I'm a Christian, 327 00:18:55,790 --> 00:18:58,650 I believe in god's faithfulness. I believe that I am anchored 328 00:18:58,685 --> 00:19:02,427 to his throne and that He is always faithfully with me. 329 00:19:02,462 --> 00:19:06,891 But it's so easy to forget and i do believe that satan is 330 00:19:06,926 --> 00:19:11,320 just as faithful in his pursuit as God is. God wants me 331 00:19:11,355 --> 00:19:14,352 and satan wants me nearly as much as God does. 332 00:19:14,387 --> 00:19:17,315 And so it's important for me to remember like 333 00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:21,675 like Gavin had mentioned, that if we're standing still, 334 00:19:21,710 --> 00:19:25,330 then we're open to being taken by whatever comes or whatever is 335 00:19:25,365 --> 00:19:28,950 offered to us. Especially being drawn out by our own desires. 336 00:19:28,985 --> 00:19:31,845 By our own temptations. And so I hope that 337 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,975 I challenge myself and the whole of us, actually, to remember 338 00:19:35,010 --> 00:19:39,620 that satan is just as faithful in his pursuit of us as God is. 339 00:19:39,655 --> 00:19:44,230 Yeah. And even little kids, they're just kind of growing up 340 00:19:44,265 --> 00:19:46,245 and if their parents are teaching them about God, 341 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,050 all of the moovies that there are out for the little kids, 342 00:19:49,085 --> 00:19:50,805 it's like a lightning, that's magic, 343 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,530 there's the little mermaid, everything ha magic in it. 344 00:19:54,565 --> 00:19:58,220 And it's like so appealing to them that i've head friends 345 00:19:58,255 --> 00:20:00,905 that just that grew up in a totally Christian home, 346 00:20:00,940 --> 00:20:05,295 and all of a sudden, it's just like this desire to want to do 347 00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:09,170 more. and it's for the wrong side, for the wrong purpose, 348 00:20:09,205 --> 00:20:13,010 but I mean, it's just like they've grown up their whole 349 00:20:13,045 --> 00:20:15,575 life without even recognizing it 350 00:20:15,610 --> 00:20:19,510 I never thought of that, but it's so exciting and so enchanting 351 00:20:19,545 --> 00:20:23,002 I watched those moovies with my daughterwho is a little kid, 352 00:20:23,037 --> 00:20:26,460 and it is enchanting, but I never thought of all the sudden 353 00:20:26,495 --> 00:20:28,605 the fantasies, the imagery that you keep in your head. 354 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,485 Yeah, but it's not like when you sit down and you kind of go: 355 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,840 oh, I know it's wanting me bad, it's more of like, it's in the 356 00:20:33,875 --> 00:20:36,160 back of your mind the whole time and you've grown up with that. 357 00:20:36,195 --> 00:20:40,035 So you don't actually, consciously go: 358 00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:42,165 Oh, I want to be like the person in the Little mermaid, 359 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,490 or something like this. It's just like in the back of your mind 360 00:20:44,525 --> 00:20:46,887 you're going: oh, I know, I saw that somewhere. 361 00:20:46,922 --> 00:20:49,250 So, it will be fun to try or something like this. 362 00:20:49,285 --> 00:20:52,265 Exactly. 363 00:20:52,300 --> 00:20:54,710 It becomes familiar. They're callious to it and what you see 364 00:20:54,745 --> 00:20:57,120 in the real world, you just kind of blow it off, like: oh, you 365 00:20:57,155 --> 00:20:59,965 know, like that's just the way things go. 366 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,865 Because after so long, something doesn't bother you anymore. 367 00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:06,250 You see people, you see fights all the time, it doesn't bother 368 00:21:06,285 --> 00:21:10,250 doesn't you. And you see witchcraft all the time, after 369 00:21:10,285 --> 00:21:13,260 a while it doesn't bother you. like some people they are 370 00:21:13,295 --> 00:21:14,595 swearing a lot, and then they don't even notice when they do 371 00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:18,955 it. They become callous to it. And that's when he can plant 372 00:21:18,990 --> 00:21:21,970 seed in there, and then you're oblivious to the fact 373 00:21:22,005 --> 00:21:25,852 is going to ruin you, because you're so callous to it. 374 00:21:25,887 --> 00:21:29,665 And the thing about that is, is that because of that, 375 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:33,320 because we watch these moovies, and we read these newspapers, 376 00:21:33,355 --> 00:21:35,475 and we see our horoscopes and whatever it is, 377 00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:40,740 we begin to think that: well, ok, I see evil so much around me. 378 00:21:45,420 --> 00:21:45,420 Evil's so real that some people will say: I guess there must be 379 00:21:45,455 --> 00:21:47,635 a God, the opposite must be true. But I can't see that. 380 00:21:47,670 --> 00:21:51,550 I can only see the evil stuff that's around me, because that's 381 00:21:51,585 --> 00:21:52,735 everywhere. 382 00:21:52,770 --> 00:21:54,485 Yeah. I met a friend, she lived in the same town I did, 383 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,290 and at the time I was kind of spiritually lacking something, 384 00:21:58,325 --> 00:22:00,345 it's like I knew God, He was my friend, 385 00:22:00,380 --> 00:22:03,555 but it's like I was kind of going: what's this? 386 00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:06,695 I was kind of going like something is wrong. 387 00:22:06,730 --> 00:22:10,500 And I met this girl, she was just like, I just looked up to 388 00:22:10,535 --> 00:22:14,270 her, she was at least 4 years older than me, and she was just 389 00:22:14,305 --> 00:22:17,415 like the perfect girl, she was so beautiful and I thought 390 00:22:17,450 --> 00:22:20,720 like the perfect model, but but she was just totally into 391 00:22:20,755 --> 00:22:23,990 witchcraft, I mean, she could move things with her mind, 392 00:22:24,025 --> 00:22:26,805 and when I was in that room with her, 393 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,670 I could feel God reaching out to me, but I just kind of went 394 00:22:30,705 --> 00:22:34,917 no, I want to do this, and that same weekend when I went 395 00:22:34,952 --> 00:22:39,226 away, like 2 and half miles aeay, I was visiting someone, 396 00:22:39,261 --> 00:22:43,500 and that night, they were totally Ike non God fearing family 397 00:22:43,535 --> 00:22:47,062 and that night I had watched a show that was just like, 398 00:22:47,097 --> 00:22:50,918 it was kind of freeky, it had to do with, like witchcraft, 399 00:22:50,953 --> 00:22:54,740 but in the middle of the night I just woke up and my whole 400 00:22:54,775 --> 00:22:56,515 body was shaking and I couldn't controll it. 401 00:22:56,550 --> 00:22:59,860 And I could feel, it was like I could feel something grabbing 402 00:22:59,895 --> 00:23:03,812 me, it was like so physical and I was just screaming for 403 00:23:03,847 --> 00:23:07,695 God, literally, I was just verbally yelling out to God, 404 00:23:07,730 --> 00:23:11,420 I couldn't go to sleep the whole night, but after that I was like 405 00:23:11,455 --> 00:23:15,455 no way. God is real and I was like.. 406 00:23:15,490 --> 00:23:18,965 One of those like: I got the point,never let me go. 407 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:24,535 Cheri, there's this Scripture in the Gospel, according to Luke, 408 00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:30,035 26 and this is dealing with those who do it for popularity, 409 00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:35,360 or to make a name for themseves. Like a magician, like you father 410 00:23:35,395 --> 00:23:38,255 reminded me of, it says: "Woe unto you, when all men 411 00:23:38,290 --> 00:23:41,260 shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false 412 00:23:41,295 --> 00:23:42,295 prophets. " 413 00:23:42,330 --> 00:23:49,475 It's kind of, it's a vicious circle. 414 00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:53,130 I think that, the thing that's so amazing, is that we have 415 00:23:53,165 --> 00:23:56,750 no idea of the spiritual warfare that is going on around us. 416 00:23:56,785 --> 00:24:03,255 If we could jump into spiritual site or perception, 417 00:24:03,290 --> 00:24:09,490 and see the satan's angels working and God's angels working 418 00:24:09,525 --> 00:24:11,505 and that whole battle going on and be amazing. 419 00:24:11,540 --> 00:24:16,640 We just can't fall on those things, but what I think is one 420 00:24:16,675 --> 00:24:17,715 of the most important things to remember, 421 00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:20,490 as we think about just being surrounded by this evil, 422 00:24:20,525 --> 00:24:24,887 and whatever way it is, whether we're in a room, 423 00:24:24,922 --> 00:24:29,296 or we're just in a situation. at the end of Romans 8 424 00:24:29,331 --> 00:24:33,635 it has this saying by Paul, it says: "For I am convinced 425 00:24:33,670 --> 00:24:36,410 that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, 426 00:24:36,445 --> 00:24:38,925 nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 427 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,630 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able 428 00:24:42,665 --> 00:24:46,300 to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus 429 00:24:46,335 --> 00:24:47,185 our Lord. " 430 00:24:47,220 --> 00:24:52,240 That's incredible! Also Revelations 20 talks about 431 00:24:52,275 --> 00:24:53,805 that at the end of this whole thing, 432 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,195 when the whole thing is over, and satan is going to be 433 00:24:57,230 --> 00:25:00,290 destroyed, then we're going to have new earth and all that, 434 00:25:00,325 --> 00:25:03,350 and when I was reading one time I was afraid, because I heard 435 00:25:03,385 --> 00:25:06,872 all these stories about witchcraft and demons 436 00:25:06,907 --> 00:25:10,325 and all that stuff, so I was reading all that 437 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:13,090 and I read Revelations 21 it says that at the end of the 438 00:25:13,125 --> 00:25:15,340 whole thing, satan's down, he's going to be bound, 439 00:25:15,375 --> 00:25:19,295 enchained and God sends one angel 440 00:25:19,330 --> 00:25:22,740 down from heaven to do that. And I said: wait! 441 00:25:22,775 --> 00:25:26,115 This is the end of his gig, I mean his gig is up 442 00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:29,320 and God sends one angel, and I have one angel with me 443 00:25:29,355 --> 00:25:32,095 all the time, more during certain activities, 444 00:25:32,130 --> 00:25:36,900 so one all the time, so I always believed that is like this 445 00:25:36,935 --> 00:25:40,417 cosmic David Copperfield, he is an illusionist 446 00:25:40,452 --> 00:25:43,900 and he tries to jump in front of us and says: 447 00:25:43,935 --> 00:25:46,355 you know what? I have power over you. 448 00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:48,885 Complete power over you. I could destroy you 449 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,480 like that. And it's a lie. It's a total lie, because 450 00:25:52,515 --> 00:25:54,485 God says: you know what? That is my child. 451 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,550 You can't even touch him. Unless he gives you permission. 452 00:25:57,585 --> 00:26:00,635 Because, I was reading in ephesians, 453 00:26:00,670 --> 00:26:05,925 from 13, it talks about: "Wherefore take unto you the 454 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,380 whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the 455 00:26:08,415 --> 00:26:10,625 evil day, and having done all, to stand, 456 00:26:10,660 --> 00:26:16,175 I'm not going to read it all, but it talks about "cure 457 00:26:16,210 --> 00:26:18,720 ourselves with truth, and having a best payed righteousness, 458 00:26:18,755 --> 00:26:24,270 and it says: on my feet have the gospel of peace, 459 00:26:24,305 --> 00:26:27,667 and having a shield of faith, and it says 460 00:26:27,702 --> 00:26:31,030 to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 461 00:26:31,065 --> 00:26:33,245 and you have a helmet of salvation, 462 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,090 and a sword of the spirit which is the Word of God. 463 00:26:36,125 --> 00:26:39,992 And these are tools that he gives us to fight it back. 464 00:26:40,027 --> 00:26:43,860 And with all that he's just describing in the Bible, 465 00:26:43,895 --> 00:26:46,920 you're invincible, no part of you is left open. 466 00:26:46,955 --> 00:26:50,172 And you can fight back too. With the Word. 467 00:26:50,207 --> 00:26:53,355 So we have covered and thanks for sharing, 468 00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:56,330 this has been an incredible show, I wish we had hours 469 00:26:56,365 --> 00:26:58,435 for this one. We've covered a lot of things, 470 00:26:58,470 --> 00:27:02,580 we've covered how you get led away, we've covered the fact 471 00:27:02,615 --> 00:27:05,757 that satan is after us, the demons are after us, 472 00:27:05,792 --> 00:27:09,271 like roaring lions, ready to devour and wrip us up. 473 00:27:09,306 --> 00:27:12,715 But the most exciting thing that we've covered, 474 00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:15,950 is that God is faithful. God is more powerful than satan. 475 00:27:15,985 --> 00:27:19,150 When Christ out at the cross say: power has gone and it's 476 00:27:19,185 --> 00:27:22,857 done and anything that we buy from that point on, 477 00:27:22,892 --> 00:27:26,495 is something that he convinces us of and he's a liar. 478 00:27:26,530 --> 00:27:30,070 I mean, it says in the Bible he's a liar, so know the Bible, 479 00:27:30,105 --> 00:27:32,567 know that you can put on the protection of God. 480 00:27:32,602 --> 00:27:34,995 Know that you can ask God in any given point. 481 00:27:35,030 --> 00:27:37,820 Please protect me. Please come in, I am afraid right now. 482 00:27:37,855 --> 00:27:41,742 And that he is right there and just trust God. 483 00:27:41,777 --> 00:27:44,203 And be aware of what you watch, or what you put 484 00:27:44,238 --> 00:27:46,630 in your mind. Thanks and see you next time!